Lane Kiffin

[bakedhog19741]

I DID NOT credit Kiffin’s early success at FAU to his recruiting skills. Him being a great recruiter is credited to his time as an assistant coach at USC and Alabama.

I didn’t say you said it. Your not the only one talking about Lane Kiffin on this board. Doesn’t change the fact that Kiffin is winning with Partridge’s guys. Same as HDN did with Ford’s guys.

Nobody on this thread said it… So wins don’t count if you did not recruit the players? Ridiculous

I didn’t say that.

[bakedhog19741]

I didn’t say you said it. Your not the only one talking about Lane Kiffin on this board. Doesn’t change the fact that Kiffin is winning with Partridge’s guys. Same as HDN did with Ford’s guys.

Nobody on this thread said it… So wins don’t count if you did not recruit the players? Ridiculous

Agreed…Stoops won a NC with John Blakes players. There have been a bunch of our fanbase suggest we “go get Stoops outta retirement” (like that’ll happen). Stoops, Richt, Fisher, Sweeney…all former coordinators who had no HC experience before taking over a major program. But yeah…anyone who wins with others players is out. Let’s just go throw a ton of money at Nutt and bring him back. He is from Arkansas, he knows the culture, he knows the SEC, he’s a winner n a fighter.

Back to my original statement, he won with Ford’s players. Sometimes same system new coach works wonders.

[seeker]

You make a valid point about rebuilding and scheme. I don’t think the masses want any symblance of what Bret has done. Even if they are a modicum clone with a creative mind.

Charlie Partridge (remember that guy) recruited most of those FAU players. Gus is too expensive. Frost is Nebraska bound. Frost is a Nebraska guy, who is a decent coach, and Nebraska will be looking. Many in Nebraska think he is a lock. Norvell may not have recruited his guys, but Fuente went to Norvell while he was the Memphis coach and had him help him with a “style” that Norvell used. Fuente recruited the upperclassmen at Memphis for Norvell’s system. So, it’s like he had four years of his guys, though he has only been the coach two years. Again, though, look at our current team. They aren’t recruited for those systems.

Personally, I think we need to look at a coach the maybe more “pro-style” but is young and energetic and eager to prove himself. Think Danny Ford-HDN. That way we take advantage of 19 returning starters and a weak schedule. Anything else will be a “rebuilding” year. A “rebuilding” year will make the same guys (Fire Bret now) mad.

I believe you’re correct. I think those same guys will also be upset when we get a “spread” guy and he’s struggling in year three.

I can’t agree with your theory at all. A good to great spread coach won’t be struggling in year three at Arkansas. There are some critical pieces in place (WR, RB, TE) that would likely render a 7 to 9 win season by year three.

Where as a pro style offense will render the same bull sheit as BB did through year 5. The SEC is full of DL, LB, Safeties tailor made to defend a pro style offense. Why do you think Bama moved more to a spread concept? It surely wasn’t because Saban wanted too, it was because he knew he had too.

If Arkansas is to win in the SEC, we have to use an offense that doesn’t allow the 8 and 9 man fronts that Bielema faced his entire tenure at Arkansas.

[bakedhog19741]

You make a valid point about rebuilding and scheme. I don’t think the masses want any symblance of what Bret has done. Even if they are a modicum clone with a creative mind.

I believe you’re correct. I think those same guys will also be upset when we get a “spread” guy and he’s struggling in year three.

I can’t agree with your theory at all. A good to great spread coach won’t be struggling in year three at Arkansas. There are some critical pieces in place (WR, RB, TE) that would likely render a 7 to 9 win season by year three.

Where as a pro style offense will render the same bull sheit as BB did through year 5. The SEC is full of DL, LB, Safeties tailor made to defend a pro style offense. Why do you think Bama moved more to a spread concept? It surely wasn’t because Saban wanted too, it was because he knew he had too.

If Arkansas is to win in the SEC, we have to use an offense that doesn’t allow the 8 and 9 man fronts that Bielema faced his entire tenure at Arkansas.

Just basing an opinion off of all the Bret haters opinions. “we don’t have the horses to run the Pro style, not enough speed.” Think that magically changes if we go to the spread, especially if we have to wait until after the NC game to announce our new HC. Next year’s a waste. Following year, first true recruiting class for that system, another wasted year, true freshmen will have to adjust to SEC speed. Year three when we should turn it around, with SO and True Freshmen our schedule gets more difficult. So, yep, based off the Bret haters opinions, and using common sense, we will still be struggling in year three with a spread.

[dawgtownhog]

Nobody on this thread said it… So wins don’t count if you did not recruit the players? Ridiculous

Agreed…Stoops won a NC with John Blakes players. There have been a bunch of our fanbase suggest we “go get Stoops outta retirement” (like that’ll happen). Stoops, Richt, Fisher, Sweeney…all former coordinators who had no HC experience before taking over a major program. But yeah…anyone who wins with others players is out. Let’s just go throw a ton of money at Nutt and bring him back. He is from Arkansas, he knows the culture, he knows the SEC, he’s a winner n a fighter.

Back to my original statement, he won with Ford’s players. Sometimes same system new coach works wonders.

Not true…Blake did not run a spread. Stoops brought in Mike Leach and had success in year one and won a NC in year two.

[bakedhog19741]

Agreed…Stoops won a NC with John Blakes players. There have been a bunch of our fanbase suggest we “go get Stoops outta retirement” (like that’ll happen). Stoops, Richt, Fisher, Sweeney…all former coordinators who had no HC experience before taking over a major program. But yeah…anyone who wins with others players is out. Let’s just go throw a ton of money at Nutt and bring him back. He is from Arkansas, he knows the culture, he knows the SEC, he’s a winner n a fighter.

Back to my original statement, he won with Ford’s players. Sometimes same system new coach works wonders.

Not true…Blake did not run a spread. Stoops brought in Mike Leach and had success in year one and won a NC in year two.

I was referring to Nutt. Sorry should have highlighted. Don’t care about OU. So, don’t really know that much about them

[seeker]

I believe you’re correct. I think those same guys will also be upset when we get a “spread” guy and he’s struggling in year three.

I can’t agree with your theory at all. A good to great spread coach won’t be struggling in year three at Arkansas. There are some critical pieces in place (WR, RB, TE) that would likely render a 7 to 9 win season by year three.

Where as a pro style offense will render the same bull sheit as BB did through year 5. The SEC is full of DL, LB, Safeties tailor made to defend a pro style offense. Why do you think Bama moved more to a spread concept? It surely wasn’t because Saban wanted too, it was because he knew he had too.

If Arkansas is to win in the SEC, we have to use an offense that doesn’t allow the 8 and 9 man fronts that Bielema fkansasaced his entire tenure at Ar.

Just basing an opinion off of all the Bret haters opinions. “we don’t have the horses to run the Pro style, not enough speed.” Think that magically changes if we go to the spread, especially if we have to wait until after the NC game to announce our new HC. Next year’s a waste. Following year, first true recruiting class for that system, another wasted year, true freshmen will have to adjust to SEC speed. Year three when we should turn it around, with SO and True Freshmen our schedule gets more difficult. So, yep, based off the Bret haters opinions, and using common sense, we will still be struggling in year three with a spread.

Awww, you have to bring in the hater’s game when you have no other defense. To be clear I don’t hate Bielema; but, his offense style is another matter. Didn’t like it for Arkansas from the day he was announced as Arkansas’ HC. My concern originally, is exactly what kept him from being successful. He couldn’t sign enough SEC quality OL and DL to play a game control offense. Late in games, his defenses never had the muscle to keep the other team from scoring the last or last couple of TDs. And, it won’t be any different for the next pro style HC. And, as we all know Petrino won’t be coming back to Arkansas.

In the SEC Bielema’s offensive style requires more 4* recruits than Arkansas has historically ever signed.

The advantage, other than highly ranked recruiting classes in the SEC is some type spread concept. Whether you love it or hate, it’s Arkansas ticket to consistently winning 8 to 10 games annually.

[dawgtownhog]

Back to my original statement, he won with Ford’s players. Sometimes same system new coach works wonders.

Not true…Blake did not run a spread. Stoops brought in Mike Leach and had success in year one and won a NC in year two.

I was referring to Nutt. Sorry should have highlighted. Don’t care about OU. So, don’t really know that much about them

You are using Nutt to support your premis that we need a coach who runs a similar system to be successful. I brought up Stoops at Oklahoma to refute your claim. We don’t necessarily need a coach who runs a similar system to find success and to refuse to look at candidates that dont fit your narrow premis is wrong headed.

[dawgtownhog]

Not true…Blake did not run a spread. Stoops brought in Mike Leach and had success in year one and won a NC in year two.

I was referring to Nutt. Sorry should have highlighted. Don’t care about OU. So, don’t really know that much about them

You are using Nutt to support your premis that we need a coach who runs a similar system to be successful. I brought up Stoops at Oklahoma to refute your claim. We don’t necessarily need a coach who runs a similar system to find success and to refuse to look at candidates that dont fit your narrow premis is wrong headed.

And here I will give you another…Gary Pinkel came to Missouri after success at Toledo with an Offense very similar to Bielemas and had what could best be described as mediocre success. In his 4th year at Missouri he changed the Offense to a high powered spread and wins and championships followed.

[seeker]

I can’t agree with your theory at all. A good to great spread coach won’t be struggling in year three at Arkansas. There are some critical pieces in place (WR, RB, TE) that would likely render a 7 to 9 win season by year three.

Where as a pro style offense will render the same bull sheit as BB did through year 5. The SEC is full of DL, LB, Safeties tailor made to defend a pro style offense. Why do you think Bama moved more to a spread concept? It surely wasn’t because Saban wanted too, it was because he knew he had too.

If Arkansas is to win in the SEC, we have to use an offense that doesn’t allow the 8 and 9 man fronts that Bielema fkansasaced his entire tenure at Ar.

Just basing an opinion off of all the Bret haters opinions. “we don’t have the horses to run the Pro style, not enough speed.” Think that magically changes if we go to the spread, especially if we have to wait until after the NC game to announce our new HC. Next year’s a waste. Following year, first true recruiting class for that system, another wasted year, true freshmen will have to adjust to SEC speed. Year three when we should turn it around, with SO and True Freshmen our schedule gets more difficult. So, yep, based off the Bret haters opinions, and using common sense, we will still be struggling in year three with a spread.

Awww, you have to bring in the hater’s game when you have no other defense. To be clear I don’t hate Bielema; but, his offense style is another matter. Didn’t like it for Arkansas from the day he was announced as Arkansas’ HC. My concern originally, is exactly what kept him from being successful. He couldn’t sign enough SEC quality OL and DL to play a game control offense. Late in games, his defenses never had the muscle to keep the other team from scoring the last or last couple of TDs. And, it won’t be any different for the next pro style HC. And, as we all know Petrino won’t be coming back to Arkansas.

In the SEC Bielema’s offensive style requires more 4* recruits than Arkansas has historically ever signed.

The advantage, other than highly ranked recruiting classes in the SEC is some type spread concept with a running QB. Whether you love it or hate, it’s Arkansas ticket to consistently winning 8 to 10 games annually.

[bakedhog19741]

Not true…Blake did not run a spread. Stoops brought in Mike Leach and had success in year one and won a NC in year two.

I was referring to Nutt. Sorry should have highlighted. Don’t care about OU. So, don’t really know that much about them

You are using Nutt to support your premis that we need a coach who runs a similar system to be successful. I brought up Stoops at Oklahoma to refute your claim. We don’t necessarily need a coach who runs a similar system to find success and to refuse to look at candidates that dont fit your narrow premis is wrong headed.

Sorry, I said sometimes, that means you’re proving my point. Sometimes is the key word. Let me guess that means you should insult me for being wrong headed.

Ain’t you doing the same thing by saying it sometimes works the other way and using Stoops to make your point?

[bakedhog19741]

I was referring to Nutt. Sorry should have highlighted. Don’t care about OU. So, don’t really know that much about them

You are using Nutt to support your premis that we need a coach who runs a similar system to be successful. I brought up Stoops at Oklahoma to refute your claim. We don’t necessarily need a coach who runs a similar system to find success and to refuse to look at candidates that dont fit your narrow premis is wrong headed.

And here I will give you another…Gary Pinkel came to Missouri after success at Toledo with an Offense very similar to Bielemas and had what could best be described as mediocre success. In his 4th year at Missouri he changed the Offense to a high powered spread and wins and championships followed.

Again proving me point for me, I said struggling in year three.

[firewallet]

I was referring to Nutt. Sorry should have highlighted. Don’t care about OU. So, don’t really know that much about them

You are using Nutt to support your premis that we need a coach who runs a similar system to be successful. I brought up Stoops at Oklahoma to refute your claim. We don’t necessarily need a coach who runs a similar system to find success and to refuse to look at candidates that dont fit your narrow premis is wrong headed.

Sorry, I said sometimes, that means you’re proving my point. Sometimes is the key word. Let me guess that means you should insult me for being wrong headed.

Ain’t you doing the same thing by saying it sometimes works the other way and using Stoops to make your point?

Are you really insulted? Really?

[bakedhog19741]

You are using Nutt to support your premis that we need a coach who runs a similar system to be successful. I brought up Stoops at Oklahoma to refute your claim. We don’t necessarily need a coach who runs a similar system to find success and to refuse to look at candidates that dont fit your narrow premis is wrong headed.

Sorry, I said sometimes, that means you’re proving my point. Sometimes is the key word. Let me guess that means you should insult me for being wrong headed.

Ain’t you doing the same thing by saying it sometimes works the other way and using Stoops to make your point?

Are you really insulted? Really?

No, I just think it’s funny people insult people for saying things. If I was to have called him wrong headed, he would have got mad.

[dawgtownhog]

I was referring to Nutt. Sorry should have highlighted. Don’t care about OU. So, don’t really know that much about them

You are using Nutt to support your premis that we need a coach who runs a similar system to be successful. I brought up Stoops at Oklahoma to refute your claim. We don’t necessarily need a coach who runs a similar system to find success and to refuse to look at candidates that dont fit your narrow premis is wrong headed.

Sorry, I said sometimes, that means you’re proving my point. Sometimes is the key word. Let me guess that means you should insult me for being wrong headed.

Ain’t you doing the same thing by saying it sometimes works the other way and using Stoops to make your point?

You were insulted by the term “wrong headed” being used? I wonder what your response would be if I called you an idiot or a complete moron. I didn’t of course use those terms I merely stated that the path you are espousing is misguided which is what wrong headed means. Have a nice day…we will agree to disagree.

[dawgtownhog]

Sorry, I said sometimes, that means you’re proving my point. Sometimes is the key word. Let me guess that means you should insult me for being wrong headed.

Ain’t you doing the same thing by saying it sometimes works the other way and using Stoops to make your point?

Are you really insulted? Really?

No, I just think it’s funny people insult people for saying things. If I was to have called him wrong headed, he would have got mad.

Incorrect, I am not thin skinned like some on this board

[bakedhog19741]

You are using Nutt to support your premis that we need a coach who runs a similar system to be successful. I brought up Stoops at Oklahoma to refute your claim. We don’t necessarily need a coach who runs a similar system to find success and to refuse to look at candidates that dont fit your narrow premis is wrong headed.

Sorry, I said sometimes, that means you’re proving my point. Sometimes is the key word. Let me guess that means you should insult me for being wrong headed.

Ain’t you doing the same thing by saying it sometimes works the other way and using Stoops to make your point?

You were insulted by the term “wrong headed” being used? I wonder what your response would be if I called you an idiot or a complete moron. I didn’t of course use those terms I merely stated that the path you are espousing is misguided which is what wrong headed means. Have a nice day…we will agree to disagree.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Figures

[firewallet]

Sorry, I said sometimes, that means you’re proving my point. Sometimes is the key word. Let me guess that means you should insult me for being wrong headed.

Ain’t you doing the same thing by saying it sometimes works the other way and using Stoops to make your point?

You were insulted by the term “wrong headed” being used? I wonder what your response would be if I called you an idiot or a complete moron. I didn’t of course use those terms I merely stated that the path you are espousing is misguided which is what wrong headed means. Have a nice day…we will agree to disagree.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Figures

There was nothing to take offense too… And this response? Wow.

[bakedhog19741]

You were insulted by the term “wrong headed” being used? I wonder what your response would be if I called you an idiot or a complete moron. I didn’t of course use those terms I merely stated that the path you are espousing is misguided which is what wrong headed means. Have a nice day…we will agree to disagree.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Figures

There was nothing to take offense too… And this response? Wow.

Ok, Fire, what’s wrong with my response? We were having a discussion, actually me him and seeker were having a discussion, I gave them my opinion. They said my opinion was completely wrong when I said “sometimes” meaning not always. Then they used examples that falls into the “sometimes.” I pointed that out. Then he said things that can be considered insults. Then I called him on it, and he got mad. Then I laughed about it.

That’s an issue to you?

[firewallet]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Figures

There was nothing to take offense too… And this response? Wow.

Ok, Fire, what’s wrong with my response? We were having a discussion, actually me him and seeker were having a discussion, I gave them my opinion. They said my opinion was completely wrong when I said “sometimes” meaning not always. Then they used examples that falls into the “sometimes.” I pointed that out. Then he said things that can be considered insults. Then I called him on it, and he got mad. Then I laughed about it.

That’s an issue to you?

Why the animus? You didn’t call anybody out on anything… You should go back an reread what DTH wrote… I had a much better opinion of you before your “internet tough guy” bs.