It appears BB will get his $15.4 mil. We just paid $20 million to have BB and JL go away.
My understanding is this comes from the Razorback Foundation. That means this ain’t TV money.
Factor in the $2 million we pay SMU for Chad Morris. And that gets to $22 million before we even play another game. :shock:
And factor in money paid to assistant coaches as well. It’s not cheap firing a coach, especially one with such a high buyout.
I wish I could see all of those faces that were sooooooooo pig soooooie worried about some frivolous lawsuit against a coach / UA that never had plaintiffs and never occurred versus this [color=#FF0000]Great A Train robbery [/color]done right in front our naive wide open eyes. Why on earth would Bert have wanted to win two more games and have to keep coach for a living? Dumb is what dumb does and this is by far the dumbest thing I have ever seen in UA Sports. Kudos for ADG for flushing this out, proving there is good to every bad story.
Whether this was sloppy contract management or not, we may never know, but it is clear why Long was fired. He was in front of what I view as two big decisions for the the UA football program. History is showing that the results of both have been disastrous.
The fact that Razorback Foundation will come up with the money is immaterial. We were forced to hear about character guys (players) for 6 years. What about character coaches? We were taught by the Rev Martin Luther King
[quote]“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”
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One coach acknowledged his failures and walked away without a penny nor a word said. While the other hides behind his agent on what may be an error in contract management. CBB is on the verge of completing the Great A Train Robbery that was started by Long a Long time ago.
One coach acknowledged his failures and walked away without a penny nor a word said. While the other hides behind his agent on what may be an error in contract management. CBB is on the verge of completing the Great A Train Robbery that was started by Long a Long time ago.
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I have kind of changed my mind about if BP needed to be fired (I was against it) as more and more facts have come out (not about the affair, but other stuff like not recruiting, acting up at the Cotton Bowl), but the idea that firing him some how kept UofA from being sued is STUPID and I said so from day one. I am an attorney, I don’t practice in employment law, but I do know that the ONLY one who had a good claim against UofA was the woman with whom he had an affair. And she settled early on. No one else had a claim. Period. End of sentence.
Stupid is as stupid does and that’s all I got to say about that.
It’s kinda funny these coaches win even when they have losing records. There’s something wrong about that.
One coach acknowledged his failures and walked away without a penny nor a word said. While the other hides behind his agent on what may be an error in contract management. CBB is on the verge of completing the Great A Train Robbery that was started by Long a Long time ago.
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The contract for the school that long wrote had nb’s buyout at 5.8 million, he had nothing to do with the foundations buyout that is where Bret is getting the largest of the payment.
“One coach acknowledged his failures and walked away without a penny nor a word said. While the other hides behind his agent on what may be an error in contract management. CBB is on the verge of completing the Great A Train Robbery that was started by Long a Long time ago.”
I believe Bibby was fired for cause… not like he was just a great guy and walked away… and yes, the Bibby was intentional per your Bert 
The contract for the school that long wrote had nb’s buyout at 5.8 million, he had nothing to do with the foundations buyout that is where Bret is getting the largest of the payment.
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Sure it does unless I am mistaken?
The point I was making was about Character from the two coaches…
The way I understood it was the UA contracts references a table that is to be used to calculate the buyout amount. Yes the Razorback Foundation would pay the bill but it appears that the original contract did not reference or mention that table. When it was amended someone may have failed to follow-through. But none of that is / was my point. It is clear what the intent was but technically by the letter of the contract it may have to be $15.5 million unless they agree. My point was that CBB is given the high praise as a character guy, uncommonly good so to speak, so if true why is he taking the Razorback Foundation to the cleaners on a technicality of the country? Just a thought. But it was reason why he did not want it released and now we know why.
Yes Bibby was fired for cause and Bert fired for convenience. Not much difference as both were fired at the leisure of AD and/or Chancellor.
My point was that Bibby did not question the technicality of cause, nor attempt to fight for any penny in terms of settlement or anything. He just walked away. Say what you want about what he did, (which Bibby was wrong), but it was his character after his firing that I was referring to.
On the other hand after Bert’s firing, Bert should be paid $5.9 million based on contract and buyout tables, however a modified contract after Texas game leaves it up in the air; so due to that mistake Bert can ask for $15.4 million. Bert’s character after the firing is to take all that he can from UA/Razorback Foundation. Hopefully they work it out, and hopefully Bert does what Bibby did and find another job that absorbs most if not all of this cost. But if you ask me, Bibby’s character after his firing transcends Berts character after his firing as for supporting the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville Northwest of Dickson Street Razorback & Foundation notwithstanding 
There is only smoke now, if they don’t resolve soon, this could get ugly.
Whatever happens, I am glad Bert is gone, and that we have Chad Morris. Help is here. I am taking all bets that we hit 7+ wins next year.
WPS!!!
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Yes Bibby was fired for cause and Bert fired for convenience. Not much difference as both were fired at the leisure of AD and/or Chancellor.
My point was that Bibby did not question the technicality of cause, nor attempt to fight for any penny in terms of settlement or anything. He just walked away. Say what you want about what he did, (which Bibby was wrong), but it was his character after his firing that I was referring to.
On the other hand after Bert’s firing, Bert should be paid $5.9 million based on contract and buyout tables, however a modified contract after Texas game leaves it up in the air; so due to that mistake Bert can ask for $15.4 million. Bert’s character after the firing is to take all that he can from UA/Razorback Foundation. Hopefully they work it out, and hopefully Bert does what Bibby did and find another job that absorbs most if not all of this cost. But if you ask me, Bibby’s character after his firing transcends Berts character after his firing as for supporting the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville Northwest of Dickson Street Razorback & Foundation notwithstanding
There is only smoke now, if they don’t resolve soon, this could get ugly.
Whatever happens, I am glad Bert is gone, and that we have Chad Morris. Help is here. I am taking all bets that we hit 7+ wins next year.
WPS!!!
Fair enough… While I don’t think Bibby had a leg to stand on contesting the cause you’re correct that he didn’t. Bret is asking for what was in the contract he was provided to sign. I hope he gets another job soon and the monies are not spent but if not, it’s not the seller (Bert) who is to blame…it’s the buyer (Foundation) … expecting someone to walk away from $15M after being fired for convenience I think is unreasonable.
What I’m hoping is that after CCM’s first year we can finally after 7 years stop talking about Bibby … I have hope for the future of the football team for the first time in many years. My expectations are not real high for this coming year but I hope to see a better team even if the W/L is not much better the first year. WPS GO HOGS!
So, Bert cost us about $30MM, salary for 5 years plus buyout. Long cost us another $15MM, ten year salary and buyout. Add the assistant coach buyouts, it was a $50MM mistake. Some idiot administrators should be fired.
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Yes but to stay on point my post was about character of two coaches; NOT at a time where they stood in moments of comfort and convenience, BUT where they stood at times of challenge and controversy. It was purposely written as a paradox to what the lament may think based on reputation.
Bibby could have argued or tried to fight, but he didn’t. We can agree that he may not have had good grounds to win, nor did Nolan; but I digress. Point was Bibby did not fight, and he said or did nothing of the slightest that could be taken as a negative once he realized that Long had indeed fired him. That takes character.
Bert on the other hand appears to be asking for something that looks to have been missed in the Razorback Foundation version of the contract. Bert is hiding behind his agent (if that is possible); who is seeking to force the Razorback Foundation to pay off a contract that has an obvious omission of the buyout calculation table. Even if Bert does not seek the full $15.4 million, they are using it as leverage to get the $11.9 million. That my friend; is not what I call character. That is taking advantage of the situation. I am sure the Razorback Foundation has got plenty of money and plenty of attorneys and do not need any public sympathy for a mistake they may have made. But I make the analogy of the little ole lady that entered a contract to have some work done on her fence, but had an understanding that if she needed to stop they would charge her based on some table or scale, but the contract that came from the Construction company was signed by her husband and did not mention the buyout table. Now the high character company honors what was obviously intended based on original work order. The no character company hides behind the contract signed knowing that it is legally enforceable whether it is morally correct or not. What Bert is doing if this continues to persist is NOT Character. A lot of people have had trouble understanding the difference between character and a mistake.
But we do agree that this whole Bibby disaster may finally be coming to a rest. I believe Chad Morris is the kind of hire we needed when Bibby was first fired to preserve that team to go for that National Championship run in 2011 - 2012. I already forgave Long who is truly Long gone in my book, but I will never forget until we become relevant again.
I disagree with your contrast. CBP had no reason to seek anything from the UofA unless he considered it an unjust firing, which apparently he didn’t. CBB is just wanting the RF to live up to the contract. You may not like it that the buyout is that much and can be upset with those who drew up the contracts, but the UofA and the RF is paying CBB not to coach football. If he chooses to sit back for three years and not coach, that’s his right. He’s living up to what he signed and the UofA/RF has to do the same. It’s not an issue of character; it’s an issue of contract. Period. To say it’s anything more or less is off base.
But I agree with both of you that I hope the events of nearly seven years ago are close to being behind us. Hopefully CCM will wipe out those memories soon.
you are so wrong its crazy!
BOBBY didnt fight it because it would have drug his family through more and also drug the mistress back in it.
court statenments to show what a scum bag he was but CBB is just following his contract,
you would walk away from 15 million?? if so u surely are one of 2 things, a Billionaire or DUMB
I think my contrast is dead on unless I have some material facts about the contracts wrong? Only time will answer that question…
What you are saying about CBP is EXACTLY what I am saying about CBP. When he was fired, he did not seek anything from the UA; nor did he ever utter one word of negativism about the UA or Long. He left in peace; but we were and remain in turmoil ( 6 years later). But that is NOT what my post was about.
My post was about the character of two coaches at the UA when fired. One was fired for cause the other for convenience. Basically the same thing as it was unwanted unexpected firing by both. Make no mistake; CBP did not believe he would have been fired or that he should have been fired. For whatever reason that pleases you, we agree that CBP walked away an sought nothing, and said nothing. That shows he respected what was decided and moved on.
But today the contrast is about Bret Bielema and how he has handled and will handle his similar adverse condition of being fired. If I am wrong it will be to these points.
You say that Brett is simply wanting the Razorback Foundation to honor the contract? If that were true, he would be forcing the Razorback Foundation to pay $15.4 million. I think he is in negotiations with RF with what the amount he should be paid? Why because there is ambiguity on what the payout should be. This is where I am questioning Bret Character in contrast to Petrino’s. I think the intent of the contract was to have a payoff table to calculate buyout. It existed in one contract, but not the other. An apparent obvious mistake. Right hand (UA) not in sync with Left Hand RF.
Brett is fired and he can do whatever he wants, but in doing so, it is my opinion that to hold Left Hand RF to a contract with a known omission is inconsistent with the high character guy he has been portrayed. Brett’s real character is only a function of the $30 million, or so he has and will receive from the UA. I will forever it call the Great A Train Robbery and I will always see it as a contrast where my Alma Mater fired a highly successful Head Coach that lied to conceal a consensual affair and walked away without a penny or word to a replacement Head Coach that was paid $11.9 to $15.4 million to leave for having the worst coaching record in the history of UA football.
I completely disagree with you. First of all, there can be no robbery in which all the parties agreed upon it unless you are saying CBB got himself intentionally fired to sit back and collect money. And if that’s what you’re saying, I’ve got to say, Prove it! The fact he is not, as of now, coaching is by request (as in firing) by the UofA.
Now, the real question is should he be negotiating to get all $15.4 million? If the contract is written like it appears to be and is reported to have been, then he doesn’t have to negotiate to get that money. It’s his. But if he is indeed negotiating, it is not to hold the RF to the whole contract but on a settlement. Either way, I don’t think it has anything to do with character. It has to do with contracts. You are suggesting he walk away with just what the UofA owed him and give the RF a break. I don’t agree, but that’s just the way I see it. You disagree and that’s fine.
Respectivefully, this will be my last comment on the same. I will leave you with final rebuttal. I will have to trust you and all to go by exactly what I say as not to infer or derive conversation. It is to easy to get off my original point.
But for clarity on what I said and meant.
First, The Great Train Robbery is imagery. People are robbed every day in our corporate democracy. In most cases the parties not only do not agree, they were not even aware. It is why I said with our naive eyes wide open.
2nd, I will not attempt to prove anything about Bret Bielema, not on this thread anyway. I am only offering my opinion of contrasting the responses of both head coaches when fired. I could do the same for Heath, Pelphrey & Richardson. In my opinion Pelphrey, followed by Heath, followed by Richardson show better character when fired. Don’t forget there were other negatives floating out of Bret’s firing such as the claims of timing etc.
I think we agree that the way it appears; Brett does not have to negotiate anything. But if he does NOT; it is a function of Character because it is Brett who decides what Brett wishes to do, the why is immaterial. Sometimes there is simply a right thing to do for the greater good.
I didn’t say what Bret Bielema should do; nor did I suggest what he should do. I will say that I don’t think the UA or the Razorback Foundation is trying to renege on any dealings with Bret Bielema. Some powerful people are involved who don’t need to cheat. At the moment, there remains smoke, it has persisted for several weeks now. Tonight, I have raised a question of Bret’s character relative to Bobby’s as in my opinion there is disagreement of the understanding with Brett after his unexpected firing. I am not old enough to believe, or recall the Razorback Foundation to ever have had this type of situation or disagreement before? But if everyone is of high character as we have been lead to believe, this need to get resolved ASAP. We got a big basketball game tomorrow, a new DC to be announced, and what I think may be the best Head Coaching option of all of those available; short of bringing YKW back.
Regards,
Hog Authority
Why can’t B.B. do the same as Gary Andersen when he was relieved of his duties at Oregon State when he forgave the $12m buyout he was due. Andersen said in a statement. “Coaching is not about the mighty dollar. It is about teaching and putting young men in a position to succeed on and off the field. Success comes when all parties involved are moving in the same direction.” Andersen had replaced B.B. at Wisconsin and left for the greener pastures of Oregon State. Head Coaches leaving Wisconsin do not seem to fare very well.
I supported BP long after most others did not. I didn’t think he should be fired. But lets be real. BP did not have a valid claim for anything from UofA. He didn’t peacefully walk away from anything. I will give him credit for not talking bad about UofA (but again, he really wasn’t in a position to do so), but there was no way he got anything out of UofA.