Why is there a story about Nebraska and Arkansas State on the Arkansas football page

[RichardDavenport]

You missed the point Matt. The story was titled SEC predictions. Unless something happened, A-State is nowhere near the SEC.

The story was titled “Expect SEC to show its might in first week.” Nowhere did it say it was an all-SEC prediction column.

As someone posted earlier, there will be some crossover that includes Arkansas State (and UCA, UALR, UAPB, etc.) because the newspaper covers all the teams and we run newspaper-generated content on this site. Wally’centers mostly around SEC, but not exclusively. I’ll bet it includes Ohio State-Oklahoma this week.

Ok Matt, you got me on a technicality. The title was certainly misleading and the game in discussion was the ONLY non-SEC game in the article. I stand by my position he does it just to needle Razorback fans.

I was glad to see ASU do so well against Nebraska. Can’t Arkansas fans pull for ASU and they for Arkansas minus when they play?

[jacksonreid]

The story was titled “Expect SEC to show its might in first week.” Nowhere did it say it was an all-SEC prediction column.

As someone posted earlier, there will be some crossover that includes Arkansas State (and UCA, UALR, UAPB, etc.) because the newspaper covers all the teams and we run newspaper-generated content on this site. Wally’centers mostly around SEC, but not exclusively. I’ll bet it includes Ohio State-Oklahoma this week.

Ok Matt, you got me on a technicality. The title was certainly misleading and the game in discussion was the ONLY non-SEC game in the article. I stand by my position he does it just to needle Razorback fans.

I was glad to see ASU do so well against Nebraska. Can’t Arkansas fans pull for ASU and they for Arkansas minus when they play?

You certainly can and many do which makes sense because there are Arkansas boys on both teams representing their state to the best of their ability. Unfortunately you have a few ASU extremists that enjoy Hog losses more than Red Wolf wins and a few Arkansas fans that delight in referring to Arkansas State as ASWho and Jonesboro State which does not help things.

[hog2009]

I was glad to see ASU do so well against Nebraska. Can’t Arkansas fans pull for ASU and they for Arkansas minus when they play?

That would require an ounce of reason and rational thinking that seems to be in short order around here.

[hogq]

The story was titled “Expect SEC to show its might in first week.” Nowhere did it say it was an all-SEC prediction column.

As someone posted earlier, there will be some crossover that includes Arkansas State (and UCA, UALR, UAPB, etc.) because the newspaper covers all the teams and we run newspaper-generated content on this site. Wally’centers mostly around SEC, but not exclusively. I’ll bet it includes Ohio State-Oklahoma this week.

Ok Matt, you got me on a technicality. The title was certainly misleading and the game in discussion was the ONLY non-SEC game in the article. I stand by my position he does it just to needle Razorback fans.

I was glad to see ASU do so well against Nebraska. Can’t Arkansas fans pull for ASU and they for Arkansas minus when they play?

Richard, it’s not about being a fan of either school. It’s about Wally trying to poke the bear every chance he gets. It’s about a clear agenda the ADG has against THE University of Arkansas. Case in point, you never hear ASU referred to as Arkansas State University-Jonesboro even though there are multiple locations for ASU. There is a clear agenda by the paper and the sports editor and if you want more unity it would certainly help to encourage them to cease this pointless agenda they have.

I generally pull for all of the schools in the state.

[MattJones]

Ok Matt, you got me on a technicality. The title was certainly misleading and the game in discussion was the ONLY non-SEC game in the article. I stand by my position he does it just to needle Razorback fans.

I was glad to see ASU do so well against Nebraska. Can’t Arkansas fans pull for ASU and they for Arkansas minus when they play?

Richard, it’s not about being a fan of either school. It’s about Wally trying to poke the bear every chance he gets. It’s about a clear agenda the ADG has against THE University of Arkansas. Case in point, you never hear ASU referred to as Arkansas State University-Jonesboro even though there are multiple locations for ASU. There is a clear agenda by the paper and the sports editor and if you want more unity it would certainly help to encourage them to cease this pointless agenda they have.

I generally pull for all of the schools in the state.

We’ve gone over this. The ADG style is to use the legal name of the school. The legal names are University of Arkansas, Fayetteville and Arkansas State University. There is no “Jonesboro” in the name of that campus. The UA and ASU systems name their campuses differently.

[gscottar]

This web site is owned by the same company that owns the ADG so I think there is always going to be some cross pollonization of articles. Probably nothing nefarious about it.

As for my previous comments, I have seen no evidence in the last couple of years that we would play Nebraska within 7 points in Lincoln. I hope I am proven wrong this year.

In the last couple of years we’ve beaten LSU in Baton Rouge, Ole Miss in Oxford, TCU in Ft. Worth, Tenn in Knoxville. Nebraska hasn’t been as good the past 5-6 years as it has been in the past. If you’re going by last year’s results, ASU went undefeated in the Sunbelt, but lost to UCA, Memphis & every other non-sunbelt team they played last year (other than whatever mid-major they beat in a bowl.) It has not beaten a team from the P5 since it beat A&M (3-8 that year, I believe) in about 2007.

I’m not taking anything away from ASU’s game. They almost won. But let’s don’t act like we’d have done no better than that. Maybe we would have maybe we wouldn’t have, but history says we would. We’ll have a better idea about this season after it’s more than a week old, though.

We also lost to gosh awful Missouri and barely beat LA Tech so it goes both ways.

[gscottar]

The story was titled “Expect SEC to show its might in first week.” Nowhere did it say it was an all-SEC prediction column.

As someone posted earlier, there will be some crossover that includes Arkansas State (and UCA, UALR, UAPB, etc.) because the newspaper covers all the teams and we run newspaper-generated content on this site. Wally’centers mostly around SEC, but not exclusively. I’ll bet it includes Ohio State-Oklahoma this week.

Ok Matt, you got me on a technicality. The title was certainly misleading and the game in discussion was the ONLY non-SEC game in the article. I stand by my position he does it just to needle Razorback fans.

I was glad to see ASU do so well against Nebraska. Can’t Arkansas fans pull for ASU and they for Arkansas minus when they play?

I totally agree Richard.

[RichardDavenport]

Ok Matt, you got me on a technicality. The title was certainly misleading and the game in discussion was the ONLY non-SEC game in the article. I stand by my position he does it just to needle Razorback fans.

I was glad to see ASU do so well against Nebraska. Can’t Arkansas fans pull for ASU and they for Arkansas minus when they play?

Richard, it’s not about being a fan of either school. It’s about Wally trying to poke the bear every chance he gets. It’s about a clear agenda the ADG has against THE University of Arkansas. Case in point, you never hear ASU referred to as Arkansas State University-Jonesboro even though there are multiple locations for ASU. There is a clear agenda by the paper and the sports editor and if you want more unity it would certainly help to encourage them to cease this pointless agenda they have.

I generally pull for all of the schools in the state.

Wally had nothing to do with UAF. It’s been said numerous times.

I know this will fall on deaf ears, but Wally has no agenda against Arkansas. I would say 95% of what he writes about Arkansas is positive. Some want 100% positive, but not everything the UA does is right.

The older I get the more I want big organizations, businesses, politic parties, schools, etc. held accountable. That includes the UA.

[hogq]

[quote=“RichardDavenport”]

I was glad to see ASU do so well against Nebraska. Can’t Arkansas fans pull for ASU and they for Arkansas minus when they play?

Richard, it’s not about being a fan of either school. It’s about Wally trying to poke the bear every chance he gets. It’s about a clear agenda the ADG has against THE University of Arkansas. Case in point, you never hear ASU referred to as Arkansas State University-Jonesboro even though there are multiple locations for ASU. There is a clear agenda by the paper and the sports editor and if you want more unity it would certainly help to encourage them to cease this pointless agenda they have.

I generally pull for all of the schools in the state.

Wally had nothing to do with UAF. It’s been said numerous times.

I know this will fall on deaf ears, but Wally has no agenda against Arkansas. I would say 95% of what he writes about Arkansas is positive. Some want 100% positive, but not everything the UA does is right.

The older I get the more I want big organizations, businesses, politic parties, schools, etc. held accountable. That includes the UA.
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We can agree on that.

[soarkhog]

I was glad to see ASU do so well against Nebraska. Can’t Arkansas fans pull for ASU and they for Arkansas minus when they play?

Richard, it’s not about being a fan of either school. It’s about Wally trying to poke the bear every chance he gets. It’s about a clear agenda the ADG has against THE University of Arkansas. Case in point, you never hear ASU referred to as Arkansas State University-Jonesboro even though there are multiple locations for ASU. There is a clear agenda by the paper and the sports editor and if you want more unity it would certainly help to encourage them to cease this pointless agenda they have.

I generally pull for all of the schools in the state.

Wally had nothing to do with UAF. It’s been said numerous times.

I know this will fall on deaf ears, but Wally has no agenda against Arkansas. I would say 95% of what he writes about Arkansas is positive. Some want 100% positive, but not everything the UA does is right.

The older I get the more I want big organizations, businesses, politic parties, schools, etc. held accountable. That includes the UA.

There seems to be a paranoia about Wally and the UA that I have yet to see. I’m not a huge fan of his writing style, particularly in his post-game columns which has limited insight and give nothing more than what basically is in the game story. But I don’t see a hatred for the UA. I’ve heard of things that he did 20-30 years ago and don’t question that because it is how fans during that era saw those things. However, I don’t live in those times. I live in 2017 and do not see a bias against the UA by WH. This, I know, will make me Public Enemy #1, well, #2 (behind WH).

[ohhmyy2006]

Where can I find an official reference that shows the “legal” name of the campus is The University of Arkansas, Fayetteville?

[MattJones]

Where can I find an official reference that shows the “legal” name of the campus is The University of Arkansas, Fayetteville?

I’m not sure if there is legal language on the schools’ websites, but I have noticed the official university names are used for NCAA data, such as this APR database: http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

[neastarkie]

This web site is owned by the same company that owns the ADG so I think there is always going to be some cross pollonization of articles. Probably nothing nefarious about it.

As for my previous comments, I have seen no evidence in the last couple of years that we would play Nebraska within 7 points in Lincoln. I hope I am proven wrong this year.

In the last couple of years we’ve beaten LSU in Baton Rouge, Ole Miss in Oxford, TCU in Ft. Worth, Tenn in Knoxville. Nebraska hasn’t been as good the past 5-6 years as it has been in the past. If you’re going by last year’s results, ASU went undefeated in the Sunbelt, but lost to UCA, Memphis & every other non-sunbelt team they played last year (other than whatever mid-major they beat in a bowl.) It has not beaten a team from the P5 since it beat A&M (3-8 that year, I believe) in about 2007.

I’m not taking anything away from ASU’s game. They almost won. But let’s don’t act like we’d have done no better than that. Maybe we would have maybe we wouldn’t have, but history says we would. We’ll have a better idea about this season after it’s more than a week old, though.

We also lost to gosh awful Missouri and barely beat LA Tech so it goes both ways.

La Tech wasn’t a bad team & we did in fact beat them. Yes, we lost to “gosh awful Missouri” but Missouri was gosh awful because it was getting beat by SEC teams. You have to look at the the level of competition rather than simply records. ASU’s record against P5 teams is exactly 1 win in its entire history. That was against A&M 10 years ago. It’s “really good” team last year lost its first 4 games to people like UCA. It lost badly to Memphis.

ASU might be better this year. I don’t know. Nebraska might prove to be good or it might prove to be bad. ASU might win the SBC again this year, but the SBC is the worst conference in the the bowl division. I simply take issue with your claim that they played Nebraska better than we would have. There’s no way to know that & no history to support it. If we go 3-8 this year & ASU goes 11-1, I’ll concede they’re probably better than we are & played NU better than we would. But that hasn’t happened yet.

[neastarkie]

I was glad to see ASU do so well against Nebraska. Can’t Arkansas fans pull for ASU and they for Arkansas minus when they play?

That would require an ounce of reason and rational thinking that seems to be in short order around here.

That is absurd. Cheering for or against a sports team requires no reason & no rational thinking at all. It’s purely emotional. The only exception to that would be those who have economic interests in a team’s record. A motel & restaurant owner in Fayetteville might have no interest in sports, but will “rationally” root for the Razorbacks because winning brings in more fans to spend money. However, people like me cheer for the Razorbacks for no reason other than I grew up in this state & became a fan as a child. I went to school at the UA primarily because I was already a Hog fan. But most hog fans I know have no direct connection to the UA except the hogs are “their team.”

So why the hatred for ASU? Because I grew up near there & heard all the taunts, jeers, sneers & vitriol against the hogs. I finally became fed up & started pulling against them. Sorta like I started hating Ole Miss & Texas. Now, you, on the other hand, probably have no emotional attachment or dislike for any team. You politely cheer for everyone. You might prefer the hogs, but it’s only a slight preference. You can cheer for Texas, Alabama, ASU…everyone when they don’t play us. That’s fine. But don’t try to claim its requires some “reason & rational thinking.” It doesn’t. It simply requires less interest.

And don’t try to tell me it’s just a “few ASU” fans who wish failure on the UA. It’s not. It’s institutional. (I know there are ASU fans who are also UA fans & vice versa. That’s fine with me. That’s their choice & they can cheer for anyone they want. Doesn’t bother me a bit. But they’re the ones in the minority. It’s different at the UA. Most UA fans are indifferent to ASU or mildly cheer for them. People like Richard Davenport. His attitude is common. But it doesn’t happen to be mine.

If you want an example of how crass & disgusting ASU fans can be toward not only the UA but it’s players, coaches, & administrators, go to their board & read the thread about Frank Broyles the day he died. I hope ASU loses every game they play. Period. And my “reason” & “rational thinking” is as good as yours. (Actually, I think it’s a whole lot better.)

[gscottar]

In the last couple of years we’ve beaten LSU in Baton Rouge, Ole Miss in Oxford, TCU in Ft. Worth, Tenn in Knoxville. Nebraska hasn’t been as good the past 5-6 years as it has been in the past. If you’re going by last year’s results, ASU went undefeated in the Sunbelt, but lost to UCA, Memphis & every other non-sunbelt team they played last year (other than whatever mid-major they beat in a bowl.) It has not beaten a team from the P5 since it beat A&M (3-8 that year, I believe) in about 2007.

I’m not taking anything away from ASU’s game. They almost won. But let’s don’t act like we’d have done no better than that. Maybe we would have maybe we wouldn’t have, but history says we would. We’ll have a better idea about this season after it’s more than a week old, though.

We also lost to gosh awful Missouri and barely beat LA Tech so it goes both ways.

La Tech wasn’t a bad team & we did in fact beat them. Yes, we lost to “gosh awful Missouri” but Missouri was gosh awful because it was getting beat by SEC teams. You have to look at the the level of competition rather than simply records. ASU’s record against P5 teams is exactly 1 win in its entire history. That was against A&M 10 years ago. It’s “really good” team last year lost its first 4 games to people like UCA. It lost badly to Memphis.

ASU might be better this year. I don’t know. Nebraska might prove to be good or it might prove to be bad. ASU might win the SBC again this year, but the SBC is the worst conference in the the bowl division. I simply take issue with your claim that they played Nebraska better than we would have. There’s no way to know that & no history to support it. If we go 3-8 this year & ASU goes 11-1, I’ll concede they’re probably better than we are & played NU better than we would. But that hasn’t happened yet.

1. Missouri lost to Middle Tennessee last year.

2. If there is no way to know that, then how do you know I am wrong?

[neastarkie]

We also lost to gosh awful Missouri and barely beat LA Tech so it goes both ways.

La Tech wasn’t a bad team & we did in fact beat them. Yes, we lost to “gosh awful Missouri” but Missouri was gosh awful because it was getting beat by SEC teams. You have to look at the the level of competition rather than simply records. ASU’s record against P5 teams is exactly 1 win in its entire history. That was against A&M 10 years ago. It’s “really good” team last year lost its first 4 games to people like UCA. It lost badly to Memphis.

ASU might be better this year. I don’t know. Nebraska might prove to be good or it might prove to be bad. ASU might win the SBC again this year, but the SBC is the worst conference in the the bowl division. I simply take issue with your claim that they played Nebraska better than we would have. There’s no way to know that & no history to support it. If we go 3-8 this year & ASU goes 11-1, I’ll concede they’re probably better than we are & played NU better than we would. But that hasn’t happened yet.

1. Missouri lost to Middle Tennessee last year.

2. If there is no way to know that, then how do you know I am wrong?

I didn’t say you were wrong. I asked you to tell me the basis for your claim that we wouldn’t have done as well against Nebraska. If you’re going to make such a claim, you’re the one who needs to provide the proof. You’re asking me to prove a negative.

[SwineFusion]

Where can I find an official reference that shows the “legal” name of the campus is The University of Arkansas, Fayetteville?

Not sure this reflects a legal name, but on the list of campuses at uasys.edu, the main campus is referred to as UA,F

[gscottar]

La Tech wasn’t a bad team & we did in fact beat them. Yes, we lost to “gosh awful Missouri” but Missouri was gosh awful because it was getting beat by SEC teams. You have to look at the the level of competition rather than simply records. ASU’s record against P5 teams is exactly 1 win in its entire history. That was against A&M 10 years ago. It’s “really good” team last year lost its first 4 games to people like UCA. It lost badly to Memphis.

ASU might be better this year. I don’t know. Nebraska might prove to be good or it might prove to be bad. ASU might win the SBC again this year, but the SBC is the worst conference in the the bowl division. I simply take issue with your claim that they played Nebraska better than we would have. There’s no way to know that & no history to support it. If we go 3-8 this year & ASU goes 11-1, I’ll concede they’re probably better than we are & played NU better than we would. But that hasn’t happened yet.

1. Missouri lost to Middle Tennessee last year.

2. If there is no way to know that, then how do you know I am wrong?

I didn’t say you were wrong. I asked you to tell me the basis for your claim that we wouldn’t have done as well against Nebraska. If you’re going to make such a claim, you’re the one who needs to provide the proof. You’re asking me to prove a negative.

You stated that “you take issue with my claim”. I interpreted that as you thinking I was incorrect. Perhaps I mis-interpreted that.

Regardless, my original statement was an opinion. Opinions are difficult to prove or disprove with hard statistical data. Mostly I was going on CBB’s record since getting here. While we have won a few big games on the road we have lost many more.

[neastarkie]

1. Missouri lost to Middle Tennessee last year.

2. If there is no way to know that, then how do you know I am wrong?

I didn’t say you were wrong. I asked you to tell me the basis for your claim that we wouldn’t have done as well against Nebraska. If you’re going to make such a claim, you’re the one who needs to provide the proof. You’re asking me to prove a negative.

You stated that “you take issue with my claim”. I interpreted that as you thinking I was incorrect. Perhaps I mis-interpreted that.

Regardless, my original statement was an opinion. Opinions are difficult to prove or disprove with hard statistical data. Mostly I was going on CBB’s record since getting here. While we have won a few big games on the road we have lost many more.

Big games on the road are always hard to win. By definition they’re against good opponents. We all know the Razorbacks of 2012-2016 haven’t been great. But they’ve won some surprising games, too. We beat LSU 2 years in a row & Ole Miss 3 years in a row. Ole Miss was much better than the average OM teams (we now know why, but they were good.) We beat Texas & KSU in bowl games. Both were pretty good teams. We beat Fla last year. We beat them badly.

No team is as bad as its worst game or as good as its best game. We were better than the team that got blown out by Auburn & blew the 2nd half at MU, but we weren’t as good as the team that dominated Florida.

I’ll be the first to admit ASU has improved over the past 6 years. They’re consistently winning or nearly winning the Sunbelt. But it’s still the Sunbelt. They’re not beating anyone of any stature & they’re losing to some pretty bad teams. They record last year was 7-5, same as ours. But the difference between our schedules was night & day.