Wagner's back trouble

I have NO idea what is wrong with Wagner’s lower back. I have had lower back issues for decades. One doctor (a really short dude) said simply. “You’re too tall.” (I am all of 6’2"). Anyway, I discovered about 2 years ago that doing just one plank in the morning for 90-120 seconds totally relieves my lower back pain. And, I have to do it only once or twice a week. I am NOT trying to play doctor/trainer for Wagner, but I am curious if he has ever tried this.

Dalton’s height, and the weight he carries on his frame, means he is really stiff. The play that Stromberg got hurt on had him getting rolled up from behind. He bent at the waist in addition to having the knee torque unnaturally. My guess is Wagner had one of those moments, too, where shorter (and more slender) people can flex better. Hey, its the difference, sometimes, between a DT and an OL - flexibility.

Wagner is listed at 6-9, 330 on Arkansas’ roster. I literally cannot imagine the strain of playing his position and doing what he does on a daily basis at that size, and the toll that takes on his body over time. I had some lower back pain last week from just standing up for a few hours straight while holding our 3 month old. Another example of the vast difference in us normal folks and athletes.

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And in my mind, any young man 6 foot 9, 330 pounds did not get there without chemical help. I feel the body DNA cannot handle some things. So players today have physical problems we did not have in the 1950’s. We had enough but not like today.

I don’t understand this comment. ?chemical help?

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Growth Hormones.


Completely wrong, but that doesn’t surprise me. Remind me where you got your medical degree again?

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Big assumption.

Check the NFL all star teams from say 1952 and 2019 and explain the huge difference in size. I remember the largest NFL player for years was the Detroit LB, forgot his name. He was 260 and by far the largest guy in the league.

Bud Brooks one of our best players weighed 225 Billy Ray Smith I think weighed 230 etc.

If you go to an ancient castle in Europe, if you look at suit of armor (used by the super athletes of that day) you will see they were much smaller people than the normal man today. Every year, people on the average are a little taller, etc. than their ancestors. So, no it is not mandatory that he had to use chemicals to get that large. Folks like to believe whatever version of reality that makes them happy, it seems.

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I surrender.

A little story, Dr. Bob.

I’m 5-9, but my ex is also 5-9, and my dad and brother are both well over 6 feet and 200+ pounds and both played college football. So there are genetics for large people.

When my son was born in 1990, he was a big baby – 21 inches long, almost 10 pounds, 95th+ percentile on the growth chart from day one.

When he was about a year old, we took him for routine well baby check with his pediatrician. The pediatrician weighed and measured him, then told us he would be at least 6-5 as an adult .

Thirty years later, he is indeed 6-5, which Marty can confirm from meeting him years ago. The other thing he inherited from his mom was a tendency toward overweight. Not sure what he weighs now, but the last time I knew he was well over 300 pounds.

Growth hormone? Don’t make me laugh. He hated being a head taller than his classmates. I wouldn’t have thought of it and he wouldn’t have gone along with it.

But you keep living in your fact-free world and think everybody who is big is on HGH.

I seriously doubt that.

bobg, you are to be commended. Knowing when to throw in the towel (even if you secretly believe you’re correct) is a sign of intelligence rarely exhibited on this forum.

We have posters (you know who they are) who, after having their OP challenged by others, will double down on their ignorance by making scores of additional posts in an attempt to support their indefensible position.


Yes. your self-restraint is be commended. The tone of some of the responses might have provoked a less than productive dialogue.

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From a Bob Holt article 8/2017…"FAYETTEVILLE – Offensive lineman Dalton Wagner grew from 6-3 as a freshman to 6-9 as a senior at Richmond-Burton High School in Spring Grove, Ill. (he weighed 315 when he got to Fayetteville)
“As much as Dalton grew, he never went through that awkward phase at all,” Richmond-Burton Coach Pat Elder said. "That’s when we thought we had something special, because it was all such a natural transition for him.
“He was so aggressive and physical off the ball. Normally guys his size in high school don’t grow into playing that way until they’re a little older.”
Wagner became a three-year starter for the Rockets at offensive tackle.
If DW ever took GHs he musta started at a mighty early age.

I’m sure Dalton is receiving the best diagnostic and medical treatment care possible for his lower back problems. The technology (CT, MRI, etc) available today for diagnosing spinal issues has advanced so much.

I can just relate that after a serious injury experienced while dead lifting 50 years ago, I suffered through debilitating pain most of my life, and endless visits with Orthopedic, Neurological, and Chiropractic specialists, After so many years of suffering, I stumbled on a Physical Therapist group about 5 years ago that cured me in 1-2 visits.

The PT’s showed me how to stretch using the opposite stretching instructions I had received for most of my life. One of the exercises was what Yoga calls the upward facing dog. Not saying it’s going to cure you or Dalton, but talk to your PCP and see if it could help…or wait another 50 years before you figure it out.


I have lower back pain and have had surgery on my lower back. I do some exercises every morning just to get going but still have pain. What is doing one plank? Thank you for an explanation. GHG!

How to Do a Plank for Beginners

man performing a plank

Alignment is key, friends. Use a mirror or a piece of furniture as you get started to avoid accidental pressure on your joints. If you choose to use a piece of furniture, do the following steps at an incline to engage your abs. You may also do plank on the floor or a mat.

  • Place your hands directly under your shoulders. Spread your fingers wide.
  • Press through your shoulders and dome your upper back to protect your shoulder sockets and strengthen your chest muscles (pectoralis major/minor).
  • Micro-bend your elbows to shield your joints against unnecessary pressure.
  • Lengthen your spine behind you and lift your knees off the floor (you can leave your knees down).
  • Parallel your legs to the ceiling and engage your thighs.
  • Tuck your hip bones forward toward your belly button to increase your abdominal and glute engagement.
  • Stack your heels over the ball-mounts of your feet to avoid strain on your toe joints.
  • Gaze down to lengthen your neck and to keep your spine aligned.