Feel free to research it. The list of schools Bielema has beaten is unmatched by Nutt and Petrino. Best I recall they never went into Texas or Florida and beat out the big schools. I doubt either beat out Alabama for a kid. Bielema did that with Wallace, Froholdt and Jeremy Patton. I’m thinking I’m missing one here too. I’m pointing out of state guys, not in-state that Arkansas has landed that the big schools wanted.
I thought I did provide research. My question remains. If CBB is the best recruiter that the UA has had since Broyles, why has this not translated into higher rankings?
You’re a ratings guy. I’m not so much. You can argue for and against rankings.
Most people look who Arkansas beats out when landing a kid. Again, there’s no disputing which coach has has done the best at that since Broyles WHILE rebuilding from a complete mess and having to recruit different type athletes to fit his system and competing in the toughest division/conference in college football. After Bielema gets into the 9-11 win column on a fairly consistent basis, you’ll see the rankings you want.
Btw, when I say feel free to research it, I meant the facts I stated in the column.
Richard, I believe what you reported in the column and I hope you are correct in that CBB will get the hogs to 9-11 wins consistently. My rub comes from people stating as fact that CBB is the best recruiter since Broyles, when it is clearly an opinion. We don’t have the rankings or the on field results thus far to justify that statement IMO.
And I hope more than anyone CBB is the best recruiter that the UA has ever had, but again IMO I’ve seen too many examples that he is just as good as other coaches we have had (losing a WR from LR to Ohio State, losing a JUCO CB to UF even though he never vistied etc etc). He is a good recruiter, not a great recruiter and our success will go as far as his ability to “coach’em up” goes.
Richard we are talking in circles here. Again, it is your job to cover recruiting, so I will trust you when you say that CBB is beating out schools that Nutt and Petrino didn’t. I have no reason to question that.
My question is, if this is the case, why haven’t we seen monumental gains on the field or in recruiting rankings? This question doesn’t appear to have an answer, thus this will be my final post on this subject.
earlier in this thread, but I will try again to make it clearer.
To start with, this staff puts in more time recruiting than any staff that I have been around in 35 years.
They are also more creative and relentless in their approach.
They make every call allowed by the NCAA, send texts, handwritten letters, make contact earlier, etc.
The head coach makes it clear how much he loves recruiting and kids whereas CBP absolutely detested it and routinely would go to cities (to appear as if he were recruiting), but not to actual schools and meet with the coaches and recruits.
He was in four high schools total in Arkansas in his entire tenure here per his assistants and high school coaches.
The current head coach was in more than that a week after he took the job.
There is beginning to be a body of work to judge things by, but metrics don’t know the whole story just as they don’t in major league baseball.
I judge it on talking to prospects and the reception of coaches by the recruits themselves, the schools Arkansas and what the landscape is like currently in the SEC West.
Take for example there were four kids on the Arkansas roster that had offers from Alabama or LSU when Bielema took over.
here is an explanation on why I think this is the best grid recruiting staff that I have been around in 35 years.
They are also more creative and relentless in their approach.
They make every call allowed by the NCAA, send texts, handwritten letters, make contact earlier, etc.
The head coach makes it clear how much he loves recruiting and kids whereas CBP absolutely detested it and routinely would go to cities (to appear as if he were recruiting), but not to actual schools and meet with the coaches and recruits.
He was in four high schools total in Arkansas in his entire tenure here per his assistants and high school coaches.
The current head coach was in more than that a week after he took the job.
There is beginning to be a body of work to judge things by, but metrics don’t know the whole story just as they don’t in major league baseball.
I judge it on talking to prospects and the reception of coaches by the recruits themselves, the schools Arkansas and what the landscape is like currently in the SEC West.
Take for example there were four kids on the Arkansas roster that had offers from Alabama or LSU when Bielema took over.
We “can’t compete” with LSU, OM. AU, etc. Then, we go out and play them very well or beat them. Then, the same people who said we couldn’t compete refuse to acknowledge that we compete.
These are the same people who think Ricky Town and Rafe Peavey are better prospects than Austin Allen and Cole Kelley.
I think hog2009 needs to see all recruiting services have us listed in top 10 in recruiting and top 3 in sec to believe it. He hangs his hat on what those services say rather than the facts stated in this thread.