What if Conner Limpert stared this year at kicker.
I don’t know what it would have changed. Even if Hedlund would have made those two field goals, Arkansas would have lost to TCU.
That gives you some thing to think about
No way to really know but completely disagree. No way such a definitive statement like that can be made.
I think it can. We still would have trailed 14-13 in the fourth quarter. We’d be trying to score, TCU would be trying to run out the clock, which is what was happening anyway at 14-7. TCU succeeded, we didn’t. Now if we’d actually had possession of the ball with 2:18 left down 21-13, things might have been different. We could have done exactly what we did a year ago at Fort Worth – drive down, score and get the 2-pointer to tie. But Stewart’s fumble on the kickoff took care of that.
The second miss completely deflated the team and the crowd. It was the key play of the game.
I have to AGREE, no way these Hogs would have beaten TCU, with or without the field goals. Yeah, you don’t really know, you are assuming. But you are also assuming CL making the field goals.
I agree that the missed FG’s had a terrible demoralizing effect. Or at least they seemed to. The game dynamic changed with those misses. I can’t say we’d have won, but I won’t say they made no difference.
How on earth do you know that? It was a close game even with those killer misses.
I agree. TCU is a veteran team. We are mostly underclassmen and inexperienced in too many areas. I would like to go back to that game and take my chances with Limpert. I do know that the last missed field goal, which its reverberating sound, took all hope out of the team. But that said, there’s no reason to really think the Hogs would have won the game.
I should have said Arkansas probably or likely would not have won. Aside from the long touchdown passes, those two field goal attempts were Arkansas’ only scoring chances that day. The point being, a touchdown and two field goals would not have beaten TCU.
It was a key play of the game but Arkansas still had a chance. In fact, TCU punted on the next drive, so it wasn’t like it completely popped the balloon.
I thought there were equally key plays later in the fourth quarter. With Arkansas trailing 14-7, Austin Cantrell had a hold that negated an 8-yard David Williams run near midfield. It took away 18 yards of field position and Arkansas eventually punted.
On the next drive, Henre’ Toliver was flagged for pass interference on a third-and-12 near midfield. TCU ran three straight run plays and scored to go up 21-7. That series of events deflated the crowd as much as or more than the missed field goal.
I would have liked the chance to see. Momentum is so big in college. That gave them more momentum and way less doubt in the situation.
Crowd would have been more involved, pressure would have been greater on their mistake prone quarterback. Yes, I would have liked to see a game where we made those two field goals. I’m wondering. Wouldn’t have changed Bama and Auburn, but I would still wonder about A&M and SC.
Still need a fresh start with new coaches as much as I don’t trust we will make the right hire.
Cantrell losing his way and catching the ball out of the end zone was a huge play. That would’ve tied it at 14-14. The crowd would’ve been into and who knows what happens.
Ball was thrown late
Whether it was or not he should’ve been inbounds. I’m sure no one was more upset than him but he just lost where he was on the field. He’s not the first to do it.
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It was a key play of the game but Arkansas still had a chance. In fact, TCU punted on the next drive, so it wasn’t like it completely popped the balloon.
I thought there were equally key plays later in the fourth quarter. With Arkansas trailing 14-7, Austin Cantrell had a hold that negated an 8-yard David Williams run near midfield. It took away 18 yards of field position and Arkansas eventually punted.
On the next drive, Henre’ Toliver was flagged for pass interference on a third-and-12 near midfield. TCU ran three straight run plays and scored to go up 21-7. That series of events deflated the crowd as much as or more than the missed field goal.
[/quote]Sorry Matt, but you unequivocally cannot know how a game will go if you change even a play or two. If we make the first FG, we kick off with the lead, and you never know WHERE TCU would have been (field position) or what plays they would have called. If different plays - maybe they score . . . or . . . maybe they fumble? Again, the WHOLE game plays differently from that point on. To that point, the second point blank FG likely NEVER TAKES PLACE. For that matter, the plays you describe above never happen either - it’s a whole other sequence of plays.
I’m not saying if we make that kick, we win. I AM saying that as close as that game ended up (we were down by 1 TD and held them on 3rd down and were about to get the ball back with about 5 minutes to play when a penalty gave them a first down - and then they scored and recovered a fumble for another quick TD), it was close enough that we’ll never know what would have happened. To say otherwise is unsupportable.
And you’re assuming Limpert makes the kick. No way to definitively state that either.
“WOULD HAVE” or “LIKELY WOULD HAVE”
I guess at this point, ‘what difference does it really make’.
IT IS or IS IT perhaps deeply revealing of mindset?
I love reading Benoit Mandelbrot and Nassim Taleb and
I wonder what conclusion they would make from your
comment. Sadly, Mandelbrot is no longer on this
mortal plane for comment and a comment from Taleb
is even less likely than a fat tail. :geek:
The OP has cited an excellent example of this coaching staff’s evaluation capabilities.