Sagarin has been doing ELO rankings for years, mainly for college football. It is derived from rankings of chess players and how they perform against each other. Basically, a player (or team) has its performance estimated by how it did against other players or teams. If a team wins, it is assumed that it performed better than its opponent.
I did locate some hoops ELO numbers done by a guy named Bart Torvik. He has our ELO at #15, which is a lot different than 51.
That’s interesting. I could not find a definition of ELO by Nolan (producing the #51 ranking). Still, what a difference. I’ll add Nolan’s RPI has the Hogs at #14, which is awful close to the #15 you reference.
Torvik has our raw ELO number at 1402 while Nolan has it at 1629, yet we’re relatively much higher under Torvik. I tried to read the Wikipedia article on ELO rating and my head was swimming. I do know that because ties are an integral part of chess and don’t happen in basketball, the original ELO formula had to be tweaked to remove ties. Presumably in soccer, where ties happen a lot, the formula wouldn’t change much if at all.
I went to see ELO in concert in Washington, DC, in July. Jeff Lynne still rocks pretty good at age 71. George Harrison’s son Dhani was the opening act and sang with Jeff on the Traveling Wilburys song “Handle With Care,” which of course George was part of originally.
Just took a look at that article, and my read of it is that while it does handle ties, no tweak would be necessary for a system where ties never happen…they just…never happen. In other words, it is set up to handle wins over opponents you are rated higher than, and wins over those who are rated higher than you, as well to losses to both foes rated higher and lower than you, and (if possible) ties against teams rated higher or lower than you are. In basketball, incidents involving ties just never are part of the equation - literally.
Cozy Powell replaced Carl Palmer as the drummer for a while in 1985-86; Palmer had obligations to the supergroup Asia he couldn’t get out of at the time. Then Lake was replaced by Robert Berry while Palmer came back, that version was known as “3”. The original ELP got back together for a 1992 album.
So my Emerson Lake and Palmer story is that in 1977 I was being driven to LAX from San Diego to board a flight eventually to Fort Smith, it was early in the morning. We were movin right along, and then out of the blue this purple Rolls flies by in the fast lane…I figure going 95 or 100…license plate ELP…they’d played in SD the night before.
Now, I liked the group but never saw them play in person…but, saw them living fast.
Well, I was the sports editor of the University newspaper in college…but my degree was in Mathematics (minor in Statistics). Ironically, I never really used that degree directly in my post-college professional career. But it comes in handy every now and again.