In my day, the coach would have sent him packing. It is playoff time and every player should be totally absorbed with playing, not drinking.
A lawyer ought to know better than to make such a statement.
So as a lawyer you are saying having a Police State where law enforcement is the final arbiter of the law is preferable?
Citizens should not have the right to present their defense?
I THINK I kinda get what you are trying to say, but that would require law enforcement to be an immediate court system as well
Ok, fine, you enlighten me on the origination of the presumption of innocence. I’ll hang up and listen.
I’m saying the exact opposite. Wow.
“Yea well if law enforcement followed (or knew) the law, there wouldn’t be a need for prosecutors and defense attorneys.”
I honestly cannot see any decent legal system where there would not be a need for prosecutors or defense attorneys.
And hey, I am a physician, so you probably know how I feel about lawyers in general
That mistakes get made and we don’t need innocent people wrongly charged? That officers don’t always get it right. That the court system is the system we need for personal protections from false judgment? That the burden needs to be on the accuser or state? That law enforcement is not lawyers and therefore probably don’t now the case law and statue as well as lawyers and therefore there will always be a need for prosecutors and defense counsel. No I think I’ll stand by my position and am fine being judged by it.
What day was that?
I don’t either which was the point of the entire thread that went sideways. What did clay say, write like you’re talking to 8th graders? I’ll start there next time.
I’m confident you are a better physician than your forefathers because of them
Okay, here we go…
You said if law enforcement knew the law there would be “no need for prosecutors and defense attorneys”
You were referring to mistakes made by police. But your wide sweeping statement would also apply to those who are guilty, or even have the appearance of being so. They would have no recourse.
There you go, voice of common sense! 23 yr old kid out celebrating and makes a fool of himself, what a shocker, heh? Between DVH’s discipline, embarrassment, etc, could turn out to be a good lesson for him. Fun to read some of the other goofy posts though
That’s fair. It was an overstatement on my part. There is a sentencing/mitigation phase. But I did state above already all the reasons we need the bar.
Of course cops make mistakes. That’s not what you said. You said if police knew the law there’d be no need for prosecutors or defense counsel. That is absurd on its face.
Cops make arrests. Here he was arrested for public intoxication. Sounds like he was. Sounds like he was also guilty of disorderly conduct. A prosecutor can add that charge and or dismiss the public intox. He needs a lawyer if he was neither or has a defense. The law presumes him innocent and the state will have to make a prima facie case to convict him. The judge in this case will determine if he’s guilty. The roles of the cop, prosecutor, defense counsel, & judge are separate. All are necessary. A cop “knowing the law” might have been acting perfectly within his authority to make the arrest & make some charge based upon what he saw. That’s where the cop’s role ends—except perhaps as a witness at trial. The rest of the judicial system takes over now.
Good lord, does this really need an explanation?
Sounds like you just repeated everything I’ve already said. Well done. Why are we arguing? Because you’re still confused with my statement I presume. I agree with everything you’ve said other than my statement was absurd. It’s the basis for the presumption that I gave you the opportunity to explain but you’re still lost in the weeds. I threw you a softball but it whizzed right by. We will try again another day. I’ve got to watch Phil. If he could hit every shot accurately there’d be no need for golf tournaments.
Long time ago. Only a handful of schools actually paid players. And few people had TV’s,
You edited your post. You said if cops knew the law there’d be no need for prosecutors and defense lawyers. And then you added a new post about presumption of innocence. Just admit you made a silly claim, stop acting like it was right all along, and no one should have said otherwise.
Oh, ok, I was at the UofA from 76-80, plenty of “fun” on Dickson St, and other locals by the players. College age students have been making these mistakes for years.
I edited to add the example paragraph. There’s nothing silly about my post. It’s a very really thing - mistakes and lack of knowledge.
When you said I was silly or absurd I responded with the presumption thread to give you a chance to understand. You’re still struggling but I’ll keep trying to help you.
Phil is almost accurate
Fun fact: 50% of this world argues with the other 50% because they simply disagree. Why do you think this is going to be the exception?
True, but few play in the playoffs.