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Re: Arkansas vs. Mizzou

Postby bakedhog19741 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:47 am

Hogbacker wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:58 am
bakedhog19741 wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:00 am
Hogbacker wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:46 am
Many Hog fans are whiners and want to point a finger at the Refs after a loss,yet hardly ever complain after a win. Refs are going to miss calls and make mistakes but I guarantee they make fewer than the players by a long shot. I think it’s high time we as a program and fan base take responsibility for the loss and move on and improve our play. Losers complain and winners explain ! Senior night at BWA I never heard a complaint so I assume the refs were near perfect, hardly. WPS


I also notice after a win, certain posters avoid the board
Yes that seems to be the case, I believe in giving praise where it’s due but also doing the same when the shoes on the other foot. I got off my rebounding kick or lack of because we have done a pretty good job when in position, our defensive scheme does not promote rebounding opportunities for our bigs because opposing coaches have figured out how to rotate the players and get our bigs 25 ft from the rim and that is not the players fault. My biggest complaint covers our seniors other than Trey and that’s shot selection and turnovers, we put up to many bad shots, walk and make to bad passes for a senior laden team i my opinion. Hopefully we have several games to play and we have the talent to make a run and I wish them the best for them and the hard work they have put in and hope they look internally and realize as a team it’s now time for them as a team. We have a good group of guys that seem to get along well and coaches that have run a good clean program, we always want more, but I’m proud of their accomplishments ! WPS


Here is my issue with some of the “fouling” yesterday. I do believe we had some bad fouls. One particular foul that we’ve had in every game this year is off a switch, a guard cuts to the basket, has an open shot and the guy chasing him fouls him with no chance of stopping him from getting the shot off. Our SR’s even do this. This drives me absolutely mad because it gives them an extra point EVERYTIME!

Yesterday, however, there were some fouls called on us, such as Cook’s hand checking that was also occurring on the opposite end without a single call. Even the announcers (who seemed to have some Missery bias) was questioning why Missery was getting away with fouls. There was indeed a bias yesterday, but some of the individuals on here screaming “Don’t blame the refs” are usually only here after a loss saying the same thing. They’re always wrong, and they are again today.

A few weeks back with 8 games left, I made the statement I thought we’d end up 6-2 with a possibility of 7-1 if we beat MO. Many of those posting told me no way, impossible. Ummmm......didn’t we finish 6-2?

I’ve said this multiple times this week. This time of year is all about matchups. No matter how games worked out yesterday, we would have had a bad matchup Thursday or Friday. Same people complaining today will be complaining Friday. A few claim is a Sweet 16 too much to ask? Care to bet if we make the Sweet 16 and lose they’ll complain it’s not good enough?

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Re: Arkansas vs. Mizzou

Postby reddiehog » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:49 am

The only way to correct the problems mentioned is change the man at the top. MA is a good guy but not a good coach. One of these days it will get corrected even if we have to wait until he retires. He needs to be in the bleachers watching the games with Nolan talking about the old days!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Arkansas vs. Mizzou

Postby bigrob2945 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:26 pm

as a hog fan i've come to accept that on most occasions we will get the short end with the refs. what i find troubling this season is that the refs are increasingly calling fouls on the hogs that radically alter the momentum of the game. the foul differential wasnt too egregious in the MO game but the types of fouls called on the different teams was abhorrent. most fouls on us were called when we were making a run or had some momentum, also most of our fouls were shooting fouls for them, whereas the fouls called on Mo seemingly had no impact on the game and were non-shooting fouls before we got into the bonus. i will reference the play when the player from MO was hurt on the 3 point shot by Jones. we were making a run and the P was in our favor. the player obviously ran into Jones on the shot with no foul called, granted Jones kicks his feet when he shoots, but many players shoot like that now to simply draw fouls. officiating didnt solely cost us the game but it sure hurt us.

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Re: Arkansas vs. Mizzou

Postby GeneralHog » Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:12 pm

Hogbacker wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:46 am
Many Hog fans are whiners and want to point a finger at the Refs after a loss,yet hardly ever complain after a win. Refs are going to miss calls and make mistakes but I guarantee they make fewer than the players by a long shot. I think it’s high time we as a program and fan base take responsibility for the loss and move on and improve our play. Losers complain and winners explain ! Senior night at BWA I never heard a complaint so I assume the refs were near perfect, hardly. WPS
You show me a game where Arkansas shot over half of what the other team shot in FT's, then we can talk, but I can't recall that happening this year. And it's not complaining, but as you say explaining the situation. And Arkansas' senior night, you show me where they were consistently calling one thing on Auburn but not Arkansas, then I'll call it out, but that didn't happen.

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Re: Arkansas vs. Mizzou

Postby GeneralHog » Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:14 pm

reddiehog wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:49 am
The only way to correct the problems mentioned is change the man at the top. MA is a good guy but not a good coach. One of these days it will get corrected even if we have to wait until he retires. He needs to be in the bleachers watching the games with Nolan talking about the old days!!!!!!!!!!!

Not a good coach? Explain why. In detail.

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Re: Arkansas vs. Mizzou

Postby Army Hog » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:17 pm

GeneralHog wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:12 pm
Hogbacker wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:46 am
Many Hog fans are whiners and want to point a finger at the Refs after a loss,yet hardly ever complain after a win. Refs are going to miss calls and make mistakes but I guarantee they make fewer than the players by a long shot. I think it’s high time we as a program and fan base take responsibility for the loss and move on and improve our play. Losers complain and winners explain ! Senior night at BWA I never heard a complaint so I assume the refs were near perfect, hardly. WPS
You show me a game where Arkansas shot over half of what the other team shot in FT's, then we can talk, but I can't recall that happening this year. And it's not complaining, but as you say explaining the situation. And Arkansas' senior night, you show me where they were consistently calling one thing on Auburn but not Arkansas, then I'll call it out, but that didn't happen.
General I don't mean to but in but the Moo U game is one that comes to mind where the free throw difference was worse than yesterday! That's the only way Moo U stayed in the game. The hogs shot over 50% from the field and lost.
Yesterday the refs swallowed the whistle when we were on offense unless they called an offensive foul or a walk!

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Re: Arkansas vs. Mizzou

Postby Gay » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:42 pm

reddiehog wrote:
Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:49 pm
Never know which team you are going to be watching when you turn the TV on. I blame that on the coaching. I hate to think we will be watching the same kind of unprepared team again next year and for how many more years I don't know. I can't believe that some people think this team can win anything in the tourney!!! I would probably bet they lose the first game in the SEC tourney if I were a betting person.
I like Anderson; he's a good person and a good coach. He is about average for SEC so he is not a great coach. However, without paying an obscene amount of money, we probably can't hire anyone much better. What you have seen is is what you can expect in the future; that is, somewhere is the middle of the SEC and in a really good year, he might make the elite 8. To expect Anderson, making the final 4 is not realistic but it might be possible.

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Re: Arkansas vs. Mizzou

Postby Hogbacker » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:22 pm

GeneralHog wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:12 pm
Hogbacker wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:46 am
Many Hog fans are whiners and want to point a finger at the Refs after a loss,yet hardly ever complain after a win. Refs are going to miss calls and make mistakes but I guarantee they make fewer than the players by a long shot. I think it’s high time we as a program and fan base take responsibility for the loss and move on and improve our play. Losers complain and winners explain ! Senior night at BWA I never heard a complaint so I assume the refs were near perfect, hardly. WPS
You show me a game where Arkansas shot over half of what the other team shot in FT's, then we can talk, but I can't recall that happening this year. And it's not complaining, but as you say explaining the situation. And Arkansas' senior night, you show me where they were consistently calling one thing on Auburn but not Arkansas, then I'll call it out, but that didn't happen.
It’s pretty simple we foul more than the opposition, if you want the foul calls to be even then we need to stop fouling so much. I don’t think there’s a conspiracy by the Refs to call more fouls on Arkansas do you ? If so file a complaint and show them on film where this is taking place, if it’s so obvious you should have a rock solid case. According to NCAA statistics web site, under the fewest fouls we are ranked #315, which is the worst in the Sec and 35 places from dead last in the nation. We are ranked #265 in the nation in scoring defense and next to last in the Sec. Had never looked these up before tonight and was very surprised, but a poor defense fouls more it seems. To end this on a high note we were ranked #31 in fewest turnovers and that’s one of the reasons we have won as many games as we have to this point. WPS

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Re: Arkansas vs. Mizzou

Postby Army Hog » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:18 pm

Hogbacker wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:22 pm
GeneralHog wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:12 pm
Hogbacker wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:46 am
Many Hog fans are whiners and want to point a finger at the Refs after a loss,yet hardly ever complain after a win. Refs are going to miss calls and make mistakes but I guarantee they make fewer than the players by a long shot. I think it’s high time we as a program and fan base take responsibility for the loss and move on and improve our play. Losers complain and winners explain ! Senior night at BWA I never heard a complaint so I assume the refs were near perfect, hardly. WPS
You show me a game where Arkansas shot over half of what the other team shot in FT's, then we can talk, but I can't recall that happening this year. And it's not complaining, but as you say explaining the situation. And Arkansas' senior night, you show me where they were consistently calling one thing on Auburn but not Arkansas, then I'll call it out, but that didn't happen.
It’s pretty simple we foul more than the opposition, if you want the foul calls to be even then we need to stop fouling so much. I don’t think there’s a conspiracy by the Refs to call more fouls on Arkansas do you ? If so file a complaint and show them on film where this is taking place, if it’s so obvious you should have a rock solid case. According to NCAA statistics web site, under the fewest fouls we are ranked #315, which is the worst in the Sec and 35 places from dead last in the nation. We are ranked #265 in the nation in scoring defense and next to last in the Sec. Had never looked these up before tonight and was very surprised, but a poor defense fouls more it seems. To end this on a high note we were ranked #31 in fewest turnovers and that’s one of the reasons we have won as many games as we have to this point. WPS
Depth is what has caused a lot of the problems with this team. Next year the experienced players will be gone. We will have talented youth and will watch them get better. I'm looking forward to it.
The fouls that happen 90 feet from the basket are just stupid! The same players do it constantly. Fouling at the end of the shot clock. Fouling in the lane when you have Gafford right behind you to block the shot.
I can't stand all of the fouls. But in our games the whistle does not blow the same whe. We are on offense. Gafford was getting beat on at Missouri and he shot 4 free throws. That's pathetic.

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Re: Arkansas vs. Mizzou

Postby GeneralHog » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:47 am

Hogbacker wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:22 pm
GeneralHog wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:12 pm
Hogbacker wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:46 am
Many Hog fans are whiners and want to point a finger at the Refs after a loss,yet hardly ever complain after a win. Refs are going to miss calls and make mistakes but I guarantee they make fewer than the players by a long shot. I think it’s high time we as a program and fan base take responsibility for the loss and move on and improve our play. Losers complain and winners explain ! Senior night at BWA I never heard a complaint so I assume the refs were near perfect, hardly. WPS
You show me a game where Arkansas shot over half of what the other team shot in FT's, then we can talk, but I can't recall that happening this year. And it's not complaining, but as you say explaining the situation. And Arkansas' senior night, you show me where they were consistently calling one thing on Auburn but not Arkansas, then I'll call it out, but that didn't happen.
It’s pretty simple we foul more than the opposition, if you want the foul calls to be even then we need to stop fouling so much. I don’t think there’s a conspiracy by the Refs to call more fouls on Arkansas do you ? If so file a complaint and show them on film where this is taking place, if it’s so obvious you should have a rock solid case. According to NCAA statistics web site, under the fewest fouls we are ranked #315, which is the worst in the Sec and 35 places from dead last in the nation. We are ranked #265 in the nation in scoring defense and next to last in the Sec. Had never looked these up before tonight and was very surprised, but a poor defense fouls more it seems. To end this on a high note we were ranked #31 in fewest turnovers and that’s one of the reasons we have won as many games as we have to this point. WPS
Because of our aggressive style of defense, I know we tend to foul more and I'm not suggesting there's some conspiracy. BUT, I believe we as a board had this discussion months ago, that referees seem to call games based on reputation, rather than actual fouls. When you are looking for SPECIFIC fouls from specific teams instead of just calling what you see, that's a problem. I've also debated to death my hatred of the hand checking rule and halo rule. Both are subjective to the individual and have no real objective measure to judge them, as we saw in the second half of the Mizzou game Saturday.

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