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That was one of the ugliest games ever.

Postby jcerzb1 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:20 pm

Let's not go crazy here, it is what it is. LSU saw that Arkansas was favored by 89.4% of the people to win, that fired them up. Arkansas got down, and instead of just playing, they were looking up to see how big of a hole they were in. The coaching staff has wrecked these kids confidence, they couldn't hit the side of a barn right now. FL will win by 60 on Saturday, I'm not even going to watch. I've said it all along, we need to hire Corliss Williamson as an Assistant to develop rebounding and an inside game.

This is not Mike Anderson's fault, these kids are just soft mentally and physically, the UCONN women would beat them handily, and that's not a joke, they would. Unfortunately, this season is over, there's no heart on that roster, hopefully these recruits coming in can change things. I don't see it however, losses like this will continue to happen, unless changes are made to the coaching staff. Stupid is doing the same failed things over and over, and never changing your approach. They have to develop an inside game. Mike Anderson's going to have to lower his pay, he's been consistently the 2nd highest paid coach in the SEC, 17th highest nationally. We've never finished 2nd or 17th and he's been here long enough now, there are no more excuses.

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Re: That was one of the ugliest games ever.

Postby SoArkHog » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:27 pm

jcerzb1 wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:20 pm
Let's not go crazy here, it is what it is. LSU saw that Arkansas was favored by 89.4% of the people to win, that fired them up. Arkansas got down, and instead of just playing, they were looking up to see how big of a hole they were in. The coaching staff has wrecked these kids confidence, they couldn't hit the side of a barn right now. FL will win by 60 on Saturday, I'm not even going to watch. I've said it all along, we need to hire Corliss Williamson as an Assistant to develop rebounding and an inside game.

This is not Mike Anderson's fault, these kids are just soft mentally and physically, the UCONN women would beat them handily, and that's not a joke, they would. Unfortunately, this season is over, there's no heart on that roster, hopefully these recruits coming in can change things. I don't see it however, losses like this will continue to happen, unless changes are made to the coaching staff. Stupid is doing the same failed things over and over, and never changing your approach. They have to develop an inside game. Mike Anderson's going to have to lower his pay, he's been consistently the 2nd highest paid coach in the SEC, 17th highest nationally. We've never finished 2nd or 17th and he's been here long enough now, there are no more excuses.
C'mon, the point you make is well-taken, but the answer is not for CMA to lower his pay. The answer is in the product put on the floor. Right now, it doesn't look very good. We don't have much coming out of the 4 hole, and there's many issues on the bench. Will they right the ship soon? They better or Florida and the rest of the SEC will chew them up.

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Re: That was one of the ugliest games ever.

Postby jcerzb1 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:36 pm

SoArkHog wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:27 pm
jcerzb1 wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:20 pm
Let's not go crazy here, it is what it is. LSU saw that Arkansas was favored by 89.4% of the people to win, that fired them up. Arkansas got down, and instead of just playing, they were looking up to see how big of a hole they were in. The coaching staff has wrecked these kids confidence, they couldn't hit the side of a barn right now. FL will win by 60 on Saturday, I'm not even going to watch. I've said it all along, we need to hire Corliss Williamson as an Assistant to develop rebounding and an inside game.

This is not Mike Anderson's fault, these kids are just soft mentally and physically, the UCONN women would beat them handily, and that's not a joke, they would. Unfortunately, this season is over, there's no heart on that roster, hopefully these recruits coming in can change things. I don't see it however, losses like this will continue to happen, unless changes are made to the coaching staff. Stupid is doing the same failed things over and over, and never changing your approach. They have to develop an inside game. Mike Anderson's going to have to lower his pay, he's been consistently the 2nd highest paid coach in the SEC, 17th highest nationally. We've never finished 2nd or 17th and he's been here long enough now, there are no more excuses.
C'mon, the point you make is well-taken, but the answer is not for CMA to lower his pay. The answer is in the product put on the floor. Right now, it doesn't look very good. We don't have much coming out of the 4 hole, and there's many issues on the bench. Will they right the ship soon? They better or Florida and the rest of the SEC will chew them up.


I think after 3 yrs, any coach's pay should be what their team's performance is. If you finish first in the conf, you should be paid the highest in the conf, if you finish first nationally, you should be the highest paid in the country. And if not, your pay should be based on what your ranking is, with adjustments for injuries, unplanned staff changes..

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Re: That was one of the ugliest games ever.

Postby SoArkHog » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:47 pm

I don't care what his pay is (though I respect your position concerning it). I'm more concerned about fixing the issue, which is the product on the floor. If I were concerned about anything about CMA's pay, it would be his buyout number. But I don't think that's the issue right now. Righting the ship is, and there's still time to do it.

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Re: That was one of the ugliest games ever.

Postby Core5 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:15 pm

Based on slow starts and trying to figure out who plays well with who, I think try another line-up change/s and try and stick with them for awhile (a few games).....who will sacrifice for the team?

CJ Jones ~~~ I think he needs to be starter IMO, it would help him get going,,I don't think he can stay effective coming off the bench IMO.

Who does he play well with or would also help set him up for good looks as Gafford, Barford and Macon should remain constants as starters? Cook, Thomas, Bailey or Hall? More playing time would help CJ further his development more than any player I think.


Gafford
Cook/Thomas/Hall/Bailey
CJ/Hall
Barford
Macon

Beard should be the steady 6th man and glue guy from now on..IMO
Hall should be the 7th guy w his energy
Thompson back up to Gafford and not too far behind in minutes of course..

They have get through this and can! Go Hogs : )

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Re: That was one of the ugliest games ever.

Postby GeneralHog » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:05 am

Anyone who knows me, knows I'm a staunch Anderson supporter, and I still am. But last night was unacceptable. I can accept losing to a better team, but Arkansas just handed that game over to LSU. LSU's not a bad team, but we made them look like the 92 Dream Team last night.

Plain and simple from what I saw, we simply quit a few minutes into the game. Yeah, we still played, but we were just going through the motions and had no desire to win.

I thought Anderson made some bad substitutions last night. Just when we started to make a little run and close the gap a little, he pulled the 3 guys responsible for the run and it all went south.

This was one of the rare home games I couldn't attend, and I'm glad I didn't. There's still plenty of season left, but if our boys keep playing like this, then the season could very well be over in the next couple of weeks.

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Re: That was one of the ugliest games ever.

Postby oinker » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:45 am

Sounds like you've finally come to your senses, General. And to think just the other day you were talking about a 24 win season.

We have 7 road games left and I can see us winning maybe 2. Of the 8 home games we have left, we'll be lucky to win 5. That would put us at 18 wins and maybe get us an NIT bid.

For someone who consistently touts his deep understanding and appreciation for the game of basketball, you just shot yet another airball.

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Re: That was one of the ugliest games ever.

Postby GeneralHog » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:17 am

oinker wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:45 am
Sounds like you've finally come to your senses, General. And to think just the other day you were talking about a 24 win season.

We have 7 road games left and I can see us winning maybe 2. Of the 8 home games we have left, we'll be lucky to win 5. That would put us at 18 wins and maybe get us an NIT bid.

For someone who consistently touts his deep understanding and appreciation for the game of basketball, you just shot yet another airball.
I'm a realist, always have been. It still doesn't mean what you and others said the other day were correct. Fact is, after we got screwed at MSU, our boys haven't recovered. It seems like a mental issue to me. Even when losing against NC and Houston, they still put up a fight and tried hard to get back into it, but last night it just seemed to me that they laid down and took it.

24 wins is still possible, I know that sounds absurd after last night, but it's still possible and I'll stick to it till they prove otherwise.

Another? Please explain where I've been wrong before. I can tell you the countless times you've been wrong since we had the old forum on WHS when it came to basketball. You only show up when something bad happens, if we win Saturday, you'll disappear like always.

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Re: That was one of the ugliest games ever.

Postby Hogbacker » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:04 am

Guys we brought MA back to Arkansas knowing full and well that the system he runs that there will be deep valleys and high peaks which means inconsistency such as we witnessed last night. We are not fundamentally sound as a team and we are having our weaknesses exposed by lesser talented teams. Something has to give and tough decisions lay ahead for CMA. WPS

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Re: That was one of the ugliest games ever.

Postby Rknsaw » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:21 pm

The truth is, Anderson gets out coached on a regular basis. We have some of the best talent in the country. When we play teams that play our style, we usually win because we have more talent. But when we play a team with lock down defense or a half court game, we have a hard winning even against inferior talent. We get out coached! This team plays entitled,lazy and without enthusiasm. That's on the coach. We seem to go out there knowing we are the better team with no sense of urgency because our talent will get us through. That's on the coach! I hate watching all of these kids with talent go to waste.with a sound coach we might have one loss. Let's not waste these kids I feel sorry for them because they have no direction. Time for a coaching change! No more wasted players and embarrassing coaching.

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